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N. Korea fires artillery into border island of Yeonpyeong-do

Its dofficult to predict what might happen now coz South Korea Government helds a talk what next steps should be. I think that the main question is why now did NK att SK ? And more important question is whethere Chinese known about it or not. In my in point of view NK want to take back six party talk that were postponed 2 years ago and SK and USA are not reluclant to back to this talks. 6-party talks were important for NK coz of money and humanitarian aid that was ended in same point as 6 -party talks. I sure that there won't be any war, this was just show of power.
 

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make WM Tv menc...... relations on live from active volcano :)
 

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Mencjusz said:
N. Korea fires artillery into border island of Yeonpyeong-do

Its dofficult to predict what might happen now coz South Korea Government helds a talk what next steps should be. I think that the main question is why now did NK att SK ? And more important question is whethere Chinese known about it or not. In my in point of view NK want to take back six party talk that were postponed 2 years ago and SK and USA are not reluclant to back to this talks. 6-party talks were important for NK coz of money and humanitarian aid that was ended in same point as 6 -party talks. I sure that there won't be any war, this was just show of power.

Yeah, they try to get respect and they try make people fear em.
 

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I think there are different reasons for NK to attack that border region.

1. NK gets far less money and influence / might from the 6-party talks ("humanitarian"), than from keeping the world's attention on the scenario. If they would represent a PEACEFUL, poor, small country with a bugged socialistic economy system, noone would care about them. They might be just another 3rd-world nation, like there are many more in, in Africa for example. But if they behave aggresive (e.g. attacks today, nuklear weapon research, and many many more in the younger past), and try to hide poverty away (think of all the shiny parades and the military show-off...), they can not only negotiate about money from other nations, they can even claim it!

Btw: I think they might really believe, they can prevent all the information, all the pictures and videos and reports about the poverty and all the oddities in NK from leaking into the rest of the world.

2. If you ask persons from South and North Korea about the exact position of the border, you get some completely different answers. I don't know, if it is SK territory they shot if you see it from a NK point of view.

3. Excellent material for their internal propaganda. You gotta make the ppl LOVE Kim Jong by ANY means. Massive dictator cult overload.

4. I might be still considering that their dictator is just a psychopath and a madman, with a massive messiah-ego-complex and a very, very small wiener.

Oh Shit, do we have any1 from North Korea in WM??? SRY!!! :)
 

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its so sad that in the XXI century still there are countries controled by few people as its happening in NK.
 

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@bodhi

5. Some experts say that the reason for this new type of aggression (first time against civillians after decades) is that north korea is almost bankrupt and fears a big famine in the next winter. Through drawing international attention to the power of their forces (which is indeed immens, they have the 4th biggest army in the world, even bigger than russia) they hope to get the western states to give them money. This theory is also supported through the fact that they showed an american specialist their newest atomic program.
In this way the have created the picture of a strong agressive country, which might be in the possession of nuclear weapons. The west cant just ignore this threat.

Also it is important to notice that although the power of nk's forces might seem immens, their whole technology is based on chinese and russian shit from the 70ies and the moral of their troops is pretty low.
 

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Mencjusz 1st warning here - No political threads on our forum ! Next such move will be a permanent ban :)

BTW: I think that for next 100 years SK and NK will be in the Status Quo, because both sides want it.
- SK does not want war and even if they won the conflict (better technology), the costs of bulding and integrating with NK would be huge.
- NK will threat SK again and again because they know that in the South there is no will to fight a new full scale conflict

I also think that there is only one way to united both countries in upcoming future. In NK someone from high ranks of military or political party takes control of the country by eliminating Kim and his family + there most faithful supporters. After that NK opens to the world, gets support from the world and step by step is trying to be a democracy. Then "maybe" both SK and NK may united as a federation. The problem is if there is in NK anyone who think differently than KIM ? What really NK people think of the regime...are all brain-washed?

PS. One think which I don't understand...200 shells fell on the SK island...really nothing happens... is it not and act of war ? I mean if for example Iran made an similar rocket attack against Israel, probably next day Teheran atomic power plants would be destroyed. SK are pussies...that I am sure of now.
 

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2. If you ask persons from South and North Korea about the exact position of the border, you get some completely different answers. I don't know, if it is SK territory they shot if you see it from a NK point of view.

As for SK people 67% wants the reunification however if it would mean reduction of their liveing costs only 19% is for reunification. Remeber that there is need for huge amount of $ to rebuild NK - see as an example West Germany that is still poorer than East Germany, even after 20 years of unification.

Gallup World Poll: Implications of Reunification of Two Koreas
South Korea

3. Excellent material for their internal propaganda. You gotta make the ppl LOVE Kim Jong by ANY means. Massive dictator cult overload.

I think that its not about Kim Jong Il, its Kim Jong-un how become 4 star general at age 27/28. So there is need to show that he is strong, powerful. We can assume for 90% that this guy will take the power after his father.

its so sad that in the XXI century still there are countries controled by few people as its happening in NK.

There are many such countires however, as some says to force China to be democratic country, I say that those poeple doesn;t know Asia and China. This country has 6000 years of autoritarian rules vs 30 years of liberalization in economy. If you ask Hongkong people if they want democtracy or rules as in East states from 80% !! you will hear NO ! Our system is good for us. And same is with most chinese. There is only small grupe of people that want democracy. Moreover I think that this system that is now in china works very good even better than our poor democtratic with many parties that are homo, islamo fobias.

Through drawing international attention to the power of their forces (which is indeed immens, they have the 4th biggest army in the world, even bigger than russia) they hope to get the western states to give them money.

2 300 000 units ! (not officaly), even China has only 1 600 000. Not many people know that Japan is obligated to pay NK $60 bln as recopensation for war destructions, moreover Japanese gorvernment accept this. Some part was payed due to 6 party talk, hence NK wants to commence this talk again.

In this way the have created the picture of a strong agressive country, which might be in the possession of nuclear weapons. The west cant just ignore this threat.

This is like saying: We are small, we are poor however don't ingore us or we will att your cities.

Mencjusz 1st warning here - No political threads on our forum ! Next such move will be a permanent ban

You think that Ban threat has influence on me ? :) ;P

After that NK opens to the world, gets support from the world and step by step is trying to be a democracy.

You don't get Asia do you ? Show me demotratic country in Asia, or the one that become democtratic after opening ? Ok India however only coz British occupation, Japan ? do you realy think that Japan is demotratic in the means of out understanding of democracy ? No its not, the connection between business, mafia and politic is to tight that i would call Japan more technocracy.

Forceing othere counties the way of ruleing as it is in Europe is not good way for cooperation, 1st of all not everywhere out system work or would work 2nd of all if society accepts the system, why change it ?

Democracy in China would be civil war coz there is 12 mln people who are classificated as minority.

PS. One think which I don't understand...200 shells fell on the SK island...really nothing happens... is it not and act of war ? I mean if for example Iran made an similar rocket attack against Israel, probably next day Teheran atomic power plants would be destroyed. SK are pussies...that I am sure of now.
Did you know that there was no war, anywhere, in last 30 or even 40 years coz of Gevena Convenction ? There need to be said that one country has casus bella against another and than this country call for war. Howevere if there is no casus bella (just like all 70 conflicts between 1960 - 1980), there can not be war coz - now its called military conflitc.

This what happend in Korea is just an incident, just like 6000 other since the korean war. The Sk accept that there is threat of an att from NK and they live with it as sth normal.

Moreover there can not be war coz of relations between countries. i.e. conflitic between NK and Sk mean:

China goes with NK, if China reacts that mean move of USA and Japan. If USA would move their units Russia wouldn't stand and wait for invitation. More: China move meas reaction from his ally Iran and Pakistan. If those two will move India will go for Pakistand and Isreal for Iran...and so on and so on. Belive me war/ conflitc in Korea peninsula means not local war/conflitc, so there is small possibility for such result.
 

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As for SK people 67% wants the reunification however if it would mean reduction of their liveing costs only 19% is for reunification. Remeber that there is need for huge amount of $ to rebuild NK - see as an example West Germany that is still poorer than East Germany, even after 20 years of unification.

its the other way around, but yeah youre right. Its even more extreme with the parts of prussia that are now in poland :)

China goes with NK
mh maybe...although i think that the connection to the west is nowadays more important to china than the loose band it still has with the socialist states in this world
 

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Mencjusz said:
As for SK people 67% wants the reunification however if it would mean reduction of their liveing costs only 19% is for reunification. Remeber that there is need for huge amount of $ to rebuild NK - see as an example West Germany that is still poorer than East Germany, even after 20 years of unification.

Gallup World Poll: Implications of Reunification of Two Koreas
South Korea



I think that its not about Kim Jong Il, its Kim Jong-un how become 4 star general at age 27/28. So there is need to show that he is strong, powerful. We can assume for 90% that this guy will take the power after his father.



There are many such countires however, as some says to force China to be democratic country, I say that those poeple doesn;t know Asia and China. This country has 6000 years of autoritarian rules vs 30 years of liberalization in economy. If you ask Hongkong people if they want democtracy or rules as in East states from 80% !! you will hear NO ! Our system is good for us. And same is with most chinese. There is only small grupe of people that want democracy. Moreover I think that this system that is now in china works very good even better than our poor democtratic with many parties that are homo, islamo fobias.



2 300 000 units ! (not officaly), even China has only 1 600 000. Not many people know that Japan is obligated to pay NK $60 bln as recopensation for war destructions, moreover Japanese gorvernment accept this. Some part was payed due to 6 party talk, hence NK wants to commence this talk again.



This is like saying: We are small, we are poor however don't ingore us or we will att your cities.



You think that Ban threat has influence on me ? :) ;P



You don't get Asia do you ? Show me demotratic country in Asia, or the one that become democtratic after opening ? Ok India however only coz British occupation, Japan ? do you realy think that Japan is demotratic in the means of out understanding of democracy ? No its not, the connection between business, mafia and politic is to tight that i would call Japan more technocracy.

Forceing othere counties the way of ruleing as it is in Europe is not good way for cooperation, 1st of all not everywhere out system work or would work 2nd of all if society accepts the system, why change it ?

Democracy in China would be civil war coz there is 12 mln people who are classificated as minority.


Did you know that there was no war, anywhere, in last 30 or even 40 years coz of Gevena Convenction ? There need to be said that one country has casus bella against another and than this country call for war. Howevere if there is no casus bella (just like all 70 conflicts between 1960 - 1980), there can not be war coz - now its called military conflitc.

This what happend in Korea is just an incident, just like 6000 other since the korean war. The Sk accept that there is threat of an att from NK and they live with it as sth normal.

Moreover there can not be war coz of relations between countries. i.e. conflitic between NK and Sk mean:

China goes with NK, if China reacts that mean move of USA and Japan. If USA would move their units Russia wouldn't stand and wait for invitation. More: China move meas reaction from his ally Iran and Pakistan. If those two will move India will go for Pakistand and Isreal for Iran...and so on and so on. Belive me war/ conflitc in Korea peninsula means not local war/conflitc, so there is small possibility for such result.

Sure that someone will read it...... lol
 

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or the 3rd WW has been began!! :)

We get new game soon then xD bad joke but i really hope that Kim lose he statue in there, if i would be president and someone attack my country alltime i would just do 1 click boom atom bomb to that land...if i would be judged about that and get killed by that No Worries because i have defended my people :D USA would come gang bang me hahhahaa
 

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USA can suck dicks, thay wont do nothing if they dont have any business with it.
 

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USA can suck dicks, thay wont do nothing if they dont have any business with it.

in some cases but not everywhere and everytime. I think that Wilson notion is still alive in USA - i.e Obama. I don't wonna argue if what he does is good policy or bad, in my view bad, I just want to point that what he says is very parallel to Wilson 14 points.
 

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Mencjusz said:
As for SK people 67% wants the reunification however if it would mean reduction of their liveing costs only 19% is for reunification. Remeber that there is need for huge amount of $ to rebuild NK - see as an example West Germany that is still poorer than East Germany, even after 20 years of unification.

I wasn't talking about reunification, I meant the geographic location of the border between the 2 nations.

Btw: It's the other way round, the West is still a bit richer than the East, but the differences are vanishing more and more. There's other things making us still a kind of "2 different folks" in one nation, but that's more in our heads than in our purses.

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I think that its not about Kim Jong Il, its Kim Jong-un how become 4 star general at age 27/28. So there is need to show that he is strong, powerful. We can assume for 90% that this guy will take the power after his father.

Ye, maybe I chose the wrong words. What I meant isn't Kim Jong in special. They could praise Mickey Mouse as the monster-messiah-super-duper-godlike leader of their yet so fantastic country, that doesnt matter. What counts is to have a glorificational object - a person, people can look up to. Charismatic, a bit mysterious, his face on every wall in town and every peasant on the street will do what they're told. "Jawoll, mein Führer", if you know what I mean.
 

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One more attack on SK from NK and Menc will have an orgasm :)
 

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i think this was all made by Activision, new cods are sucking they need new storys :)

if there were more actions from NK, SK would have to do something, and they would have for sure the support of USA and all west countries. I dont think China would defend NK so much.
 

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Xavii said:
i think this was all made by Activision, new cods are sucking they need new storys :).

loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
 

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